{"id":46965,"date":"2018-10-07T09:32:57","date_gmt":"2018-10-07T13:32:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blacktypebugler.com\/?p=46965"},"modified":"2018-10-05T09:33:17","modified_gmt":"2018-10-05T13:33:17","slug":"a-look-at-second-crop-sires","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/?p=46965","title":{"rendered":"A Look At Second Crop Sires"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Everyone knows that in the game recently retired stallions can produce two year olds straight away while in real life breeders wait years to see which stallions start producing runners.\u00a0 It isn\u2019t always the stallions one might think will succeed either.\u00a0 Every season there are surprises who step up and those who falter.\u00a0 Game creator Mike has the unenviable task of trying to rate these young sires, an impossible task that guarantees some success but a lot of failure.\u00a0 I\u2019m going to take a look at the top North American second year sires in real life and how they have been used in the game.\u00a0 The oldest foals for these sires are three and they are a group that have five sim crops to race.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The top second year sire in North America is Violence.\u00a0 The son of Medaglia D\u2019oro was a bit of a surprise to lead this group but he has produced horses who flat out run.\u00a0 His runners have earnings over $3.5 million so far this year and two of his daughters have won grade three stakes this year.\u00a0 Those are both a pair of three year olds, Talk Veuve To Me and Cosmic Burst.\u00a0 He has two other 2018 stakes winner from his initial crop and his two year olds have earned three stakes wins so far as well as two fillies who are grade one placed.\u00a0 He is currently ranked #64 on the North American General Sires List.\u00a0 This year he has 122 runners, 67 winners and 6 stakes winners.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>In the game Violence has produced 422 foals to race with 281 of those winning.\u00a0 He has twenty two stakes winners and four graded winners.\u00a0 The highest rank he has achieved is for his 2018 foal crop of 73 runners which ranks him 119<sup>th<\/sup> among all sires in the game.\u00a0 This is obviously an imperfect comparison as in the game he is pitted against sires from around the globe.\u00a0 To approximate real life stats we can combine his 2017 and 2018 crops (his two and three year olds) to get 149 runners with 69 winners.\u00a0 All of his stakes winners from that period are from his three year old crop, of which there are four stakes winners and one graded winner.\u00a0 In the game he has achieved one grade one winner, something he is still looking for in real life.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Second on the leading second crop sires list is Take Charge Indy.\u00a0 The son of A.P. Indy out of Broodmare of the Year Take Charge Lady was sold to the Republic of Korea prior to his runners hitting the racetrack.\u00a0 That decision seems to have been a mistake for his connections, as he produced four stakes winners this year, led by grade one winner Noble Indy.\u00a0 He has also produced grade three stakes winner Take Charge Paula.\u00a0 Overall he has 114 runners this year with 61 winners and over $3.4 million in earnings.\u00a0 In March of 2018 there was some discussion of repatriating Take Charge Indy but as of this writing nothing has been announced.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Take Charge Indy has been ranked in the top 100 sires for each year he has had foals in the game.\u00a0 His top ranking is this year\u2019s 32.\u00a0 His two and three year olds have combined for 195 foals to race and 113 winners with six stakes winners and two graded winners. \u00a0He has certainly been better received in the game than in real life with an overall number of foals at 530.\u00a0 He has sired three grade one stakes winners out of a total of eight graded winners from his first five crops.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Shanghai Bobby is the third leading second crop sire in North America but there is a million dollar gap between him and Violence in terms of 2018 earnings.\u00a0 Unlike the top two stallions who have produced six and four stakes winners respectively, Shanghai Bobby has only produced two.\u00a0 Overall this year he has 115 runners and 52 winners. \u00a0The son of Harlan\u2019s Holiday Is listed as standing at Ashford Stud for a $15,000 stud fee but interestingly he does not have an advertisement in the Blood Horse\u2019s Stallion Register online, a sign that he likely will not be standing there in 2019.\u00a0 He does shuttle to Brazil and I would not be surprised if he were sold there for permanent stud duty.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Shanghai Bobby has produced two graded winners in the game, including one grade one winner but compared to the credentials he retired with (two year old champion, by an emerging sire of sires) it looks like Mike may have been smart at rating this sire.\u00a0 He has 410 foals in the game of which 315 are winners and twelve are stakes winners.\u00a0 His best rating in the game is from his initial foal crop where he was rated 121 overall in the game.\u00a0 His two and three year old foals include 115 runners and 71 winners with no stakes winners from either crop.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps the biggest surprise in the second crop sires is Jimmy Creed.\u00a0 He is the only sire in the top five who has fewer than 100 runners this year, with 87.\u00a0 Of those 43 are winners and five are stakes winners.\u00a0 Jimmy Creed is a grade one winning son of Distorted Humor out of grade one winner Hookedonthefeelin who also produced grade one winner Pussycat Doll.\u00a0 Last year he was represented by two year old grade two winner Spectator who is grade one placed this year.\u00a0 His three year old crop also includes Kanthaka, a grade two winner.\u00a0 His two year old crop includes one stakes winner and a grade two placed filly.\u00a0 What may be most surprising about Jimmy Creed\u2019s success is that he retired to stud with a $5,000 stud fee.\u00a0 Jimmy Creed is less than $14,000 away from Shanghai Bobby on the sire list, with significantly less runners.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Jimmy Creed likely needs some readjusting in the game.\u00a0 He is represented by 256 foals to race with 194 winners, six stakes winners and one graded winner.\u00a0 The lone graded winner is a grade one winner from his first crop.\u00a0 He has consistently been rated in the top 300 sires in the game over the past five crops years.\u00a0 He has 59 two and three year old runners with thirty four of those winners.\u00a0 His current two year old crop includes one stakes winner.\u00a0 At 117 credits\/bps (seemingly his floor) he may be worth investing in a couple of shares for next season.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Rounding out the top five second year sires is Flat Out.\u00a0 The multiple grade one winning son of Flatter has 112 foals with 53 winners and two stakes winners. \u00a0Flat Out made only six starts from ages two through four so his emergence as the eighth ranked freshman sire last year was somewhat surprising.\u00a0 He did win a listed as a three year old but he didn\u2019t win his first graded stakes until age five.\u00a0 His two stakes winners came at minor circuits but his overall numbers are solid.\u00a0 He does have a grade two placed two year old this season.\u00a0 He has the lowest stud fee of any of the top five sires on our list at $7,000.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Flat Out is also the cheapest of our sires in the game, currently at 76 bps\/credits.\u00a0 He only has 36 two and three year old foals of which 17 are winners and none are stakes winners. \u00a0Overall he has 202 foals with 144 winners and three stakes winners.\u00a0 He does not have any graded winners so far in the game.\u00a0 Flat Out likely suffers from the poor rating of his sire Flatter in the game.\u00a0 Flatter has been a very solid sire in reality for many years but has not achieved the rating success of even his younger brother Congrats in the game.\u00a0 Flat Out\u2019s best sim ranking was from his 2015 crop where he was ranked 287<sup>th<\/sup>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>While analyzing sires after their first two crops race there is always a danger that other sires may overtake them as older runners come to the fore.\u00a0 Three sires in North America may just do that, Point of Entry (ranked 6<sup>th<\/sup> on the second crop sire list), Orb (12<sup>th<\/sup>) and Animal Kingdom.\u00a0 Point of Entry\u2019s success with his two and three year olds has been somewhat surprising as he didn\u2019t start racing until age three and didn\u2019t find stakes success until age four.\u00a0 He currently has two two year old stakes winners but his runners are lead by grade three winner \/ grade one placed Analyze It.\u00a0 Orb and Animal Kingdom both were Kentucky Derby winners who did not win stakes races at age two.\u00a0 Orb recently had his first grade one stakes winner from a two year old filly sprinting.\u00a0 To say he has gotten off to a rocky start at stud is an understatement.\u00a0 His foals were well received at the sales but his first crop has only produced two stakes winners.\u00a0 Many sales buyers believed his foals to be two-turn horses and it is possible that they will get better at four but for now he is one to avoid in the game.\u00a0 Animal Kingdom has done better with his runners in Australia but he did receive a controversial downgrade for 2018.\u00a0 Another that could turn things around in North America but probably a pass in the game at this point.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Everyone knows that in the game recently retired stallions can produce two year olds straight away while in real 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