{"id":3459,"date":"2007-01-07T13:40:27","date_gmt":"2007-01-07T13:40:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blacktypebugler.com\/?p=3459"},"modified":"-0001-11-30T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"-0001-11-30T00:00:00","slug":"oldbtb_5","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/?p=3459","title":{"rendered":"The Economics of Sim Breeding"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">Leaving sentiment aside (which is admittedly difficult for me), there are a number of \u201ceconomic\u201d aspects to breeding within the Sim that may be useful to keep in mind.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0\u00a0 While we all want stakes winners (heck, GRADED stakes winners),\u00a0not all breedings will accomplish that, no matter how great the pedigree may be.\u00a0<\/SPAN><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = \"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office\" \/><o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">Breeding Points vs. Credits<o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/B><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/B><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">It\u2019s probably not a good idea to remain locked in to a commitment to use only one or the other.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Not all sires are available for credits, even 5 minutes after breeding starts for the week!<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/SPAN>If you\u2019re fast enough, and have credits enough, you can probably get any sires<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>you want at the start of the week if you\u2019re willing to pay a hefty premium price \u2013 some \u201csuperbreds\u201d could easily cost you $25 if you want to use three top-tier sires before they\u2019ve come up as \u201cavailable.\u201d<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>This could be worth it, <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">if<\/I> you have plenty of cash to spare, <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">and<\/I> are bound and determined to breed a superhorse, <B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">and<\/I><\/B><I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\"> <\/I>are willing to accept the possibility that your expensive superhorse <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">could<\/I> still be a dud.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>We\u2019ve all seen horses with amazing pedigrees running in low-budget claimers.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN><o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">On the other hand, if you\u2019re short on breeding points, credits are an excellent option, even if you don\u2019t drop the \u201cbig bucks\u201d on supersires.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Many good sires are available for credits, sometimes even late in the week, and even more good damsires\/dam\u2019s damsires will still be available for credits.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>A little research can go a long way in this instance, particularly for damsires.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Check their stats and check out \u201colder\u201d sires.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Newcomers to racing may not be aware how good some of the previous generation sires were.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>The minimum amount of credits you can buy is 500 ($5), and a pretty nice horse could be bred for that amount.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>The<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>only breedings you <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">can\u2019t<\/I> do with credits are bargain breedings \u2013 stay under 100 breeding points to breed a horse, and the price is divided in half; and if you don\u2019t have 50 bps, it might not be all that good an idea to try to breed a bargain until you\u2019ve had a bit more experience.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN><o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">Another consideration, if you want\/need to use credits, is that breeding using a horse already in your stable allows you to use credits, <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">even if the damsire\/dam\u2019s damsire are not available for credits that week.<\/I> <B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><o:p><\/o:p><\/B><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/B><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">Breeding Using A Currently Active Horse<o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/B><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/B><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">If you have a beloved favorite horse, all logic goes out the window, so we won\u2019t even worry about that.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>If you love the horse, you\u2019ll use it anyway.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>I confess, I\u2019ve done that, and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn\u2019t.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Using <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">any <\/I>horse currently in your stable also has the advantage of being able to use credits to breed, <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">even if the damsire\/dam\u2019s damsire are <B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\">not<\/B> available for credits.<\/I><SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>This expands your options!<o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">The two things you want to look at before breeding an existing mare is her race record and her pedigree.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>For the race record, Mike has said that a mare\u2019s ability somewhat influences her offspring, anywhere up to 50%.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Your first question to yourself:<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>\u201cWould 50% of her ability be a disaster?\u201d<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Depending on your goals, she wouldn\u2019t necessarily have to be a stakes winner \u2013 was she competitive <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">enough<\/I>?<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Was she able to win or hit the board often enough, and with decent enough speed figures, that you\u2019d be satisfied with another like her?<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>If not, is her pedigree outstanding enough to compensate for it?<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Untalented mares by elite sires can still produce well \u2013 remember, it\u2019s UP TO 50% of the ability; it could be much less, and some of that ability could be inherited from the very talented damsire.<o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">To be consistently competitive in the claiming ranks, speed figures of 80 or above are needed for sprinters (and that\u2019s an absolute bare <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">minimum<\/I>), and 70\u2019s or above for distance horses.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Was your mare able to run those figures <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">most<\/I> of the time?<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>If not, and she is NOT by an elite sire, she is <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">not<\/I> worth breeding.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>And if you still want to use her and \u201cupgrade\u201d by using an elite sire, keep in mind that the cost for breeding from an existing mare is 50% of the sire\u2019s \u201cstud fee\u201d, or a minimum of 50 breeding points.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>A poor quality race mare with a mediocre or worse pedigree simply isn\u2019t going to be worth it.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>The chances of her offspring being \u201ccost effective\u201d in terms of earning breeding points are minimal.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN><o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">Using<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>existing male horses as \u201cshe-males\u201d is a little different.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Remember, you <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">always<\/I> want to check <B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\">lifetime<\/B> past performances.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Older males who have made a lot of starts, even if they\u2019re running for a $2000 tag <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">now<\/I>, may have had quite a bit of talent in their younger days.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Were they stakes winners?<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Did they have a time period of running consistent 100+ speed figures in their youth?<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>Are you willing to accept a foal who would peak at 2 or 3 rather than at 4 and up?<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>If so, the older males can be \u201cshe-male\u201d material.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN><o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">In this scenario, the next thing you want to look at is the pedigree.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>How expensive would it be to duplicate the pedigree from scratch?<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>The cost to \u201ccreate\u201d a she-male is a flat 250 breeding points\/credits.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>If it would cost <I style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal\">more<\/I> than that to duplicate the pedigree, it starts to be cost-effective to perform the (ahem) \u201coperation.\u201d<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/SPAN>A male horse with a good record and a good pedigree will probably be more affordable in terms of bps\/credits to use than a similar mare.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN><o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">Yes, I agree that \u201cconverting\u201d males to females is \u201cunrealistic.\u201d<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>However, so is \u201cbreeding\u201d using only sires and not actual dams.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN>This <B style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal\">is<\/B> a game, after all; the use of \u201cshe-males\u201d is permitted, and if your current male horses are better than your current females, this breeding can be\u00a0work to your advantage.<SPAN style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">\u00a0 <\/SPAN><o:p><\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><SPAN style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Arial\">In another article, we\u2019ll take a look at breeding from retired mares, breeding from scratch, and bargain breeding.<\/SPAN><\/P><P class=MsoNormal style=\"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt\"><o:p>\u00a0<\/o:p><\/P><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Is your proposed breeding cost effective?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":311,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"colormag_page_container_layout":"default_layout","colormag_page_sidebar_layout":"default_layout","footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3459","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-breeding"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3459","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/311"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3459"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3459\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3459"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3459"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/btb.ehorseracing.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3459"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}